[17:04] Starfarer: Howdy AJ
[17:05] ajbieee: Hi ya, Starfarer
[17:05] Starfarer: Topgun sent an apology
[17:05] ajbieee: did you get that stone moving done yet?
[17:05] ajbieee: yeah...he is having a lot of computer problems these days
[17:05] Starfarer: The stone moving is done
[17:06] ajbieee: I told him today he needs a new one
[17:06] Starfarer: Some timber to finish moving today
[17:07] Starfarer: What's happening for you?
[17:07] ajbieee: but I am about in the same shape with this old i3 Windows 7 machine
[17:07] emDash HUD: Visinda has entered chat range.
[17:08] ajbieee: still trying to get mother-in-law back into independent living at the retirement village after her fall almost a month ago now
[17:08] Starfarer: A healer needed?
[17:08] ajbieee: for both mother-in-law and computer
[17:08] Starfarer: I hope that front goes well
[17:09] Starfarer: Maybe a witchdoctor to dance around your computer
[17:09] ajbieee: maybe this week they say today...at least on medical release for mother-in-law
[17:09] ajbieee: computer may well be a whole different issue
[17:09] ajbieee: but it still serves to get me around the Internet
[17:10] ajbieee: made it here tonight / today for your
[17:10] Starfarer: You be here ~ in the avatar
[17:10] Starfarer: or via the avatar
[17:11] Starfarer: We have all our accommodation booked in Europe now
[17:11] Starfarer: No sleeping in the snow
[17:11] ajbieee: in the avatar...was hoping that my number be picked to teleoperate a robot too
[17:11] ajbieee: but so far no word
[17:11] Starfarer: Where would the robot be located?
[17:11] ajbieee: Ploand
[17:12] ajbieee: oops...Poland
[17:12] ajbieee: in the EU
[17:12] Starfarer: Right
[17:13] Starfarer: I suspect teleoperating will play a vital role in future space development
[17:13] ajbieee: should be able to do with even this old computer since it just requires a browser as I understand it
[17:13] ajbieee: no need to download any apps
[17:13] ajbieee: Top and I believe so...
[17:14] Starfarer: Would you be seeing through the robot camera?
[17:14] ajbieee: why we seek to start the GIA Ventures he originally conceived as just a streaming video concept
[17:14] ajbieee: yes...
[17:14] Starfarer: Hope you get selected
[17:15] ajbieee: here is the link to the Kickstarter
[17:15] ajbieee: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1174032727/turtle-rover-worlds-first-earth-rover
[17:15] ajbieee: has nice pics
[17:15] Starfarer: Thanks ~ keen to see that
[17:16] ajbieee: World's first land drone designed by Mars rover engineers.
[17:16] ajbieee: they raised about 66K euros with their target being 60K euros
[17:17] ajbieee: just under the wire
[17:17] Starfarer: I wonder if they will come with two cameras ~ for use with a headset
[17:18] Starfarer: If that is technically possible
[17:18] ajbieee: some of the teleoperation robots add one just at the gripper
[17:18] ajbieee: for fine control of the arm
[17:18] Starfarer: That's a good addition
[17:19] ajbieee: this particular model seems to have designed the arm to be just where the camera is
[17:19] ajbieee: but it should serve as an experimental platform for teleoperation just fine
[17:19] Starfarer: Yes ~ I see the arm and its set of tweesers
[17:21] Starfarer: Will you look at getting one of those mechanical creatures?
[17:21] ajbieee: now this underwater teleoperated robot is MUCH more sophisticated
[17:21] ajbieee: http://theinstitute.ieee.org/technology-topics/artificial-intelligence/haptically-controlled-robots-will-take-on-tasks-too-dangerous-for-humans
[17:21] Starfarer: That would be like being in space
[17:21] ajbieee: reported by the IEEE recently their AI feed
[17:22] ajbieee: looks very human like
[17:22] ajbieee: much like the NASA Robotnaut
[17:22] ajbieee: but for underwater work
[17:23] Starfarer: A submarine robot has been developed in Australia to work on the Great Barrier Reef
[17:23] ajbieee: with haptic (touch) feedback
[17:23] Starfarer: To kill the crown of thorns starfish, which kills the coral
[17:24] ajbieee: you could very easily take this design into space with some radiation hardening and replace those underwater thrusters with ion thrusters
[17:25] Starfarer: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-31/crown-of-thorns-starfish-killing-robot-great-barrier-reef-qld/10183072
[17:25] Starfarer: Yes ~ it is a step in that direction
[17:26] Starfarer: And it could be scaled to any size ~ even a mini-robot
[17:27] ajbieee: most current projects are mini...they use the standard cubesat designs
[17:27] Starfarer: even a swarm of micro-robots
[17:28] ajbieee: almost like children's building blocks
[17:28] Starfarer: The smaller they can be ~ the cheaper they will be to send into space to work
[17:28] ajbieee: yes the Planet cubesats that I was using to look down on you working day by day with are cubesat swarms
[17:29] ajbieee: they have over 200 of them in 3 or 4 separate orbits now and are adding more all the time
[17:30] ajbieee: to provide almost constant coverage of the entire planet (thus the name of the company - Planet)
[17:31] Starfarer: Did you see the film of a Russian cosmonaut launching a small satellite by hand?
[17:31] ajbieee: these too would be very useful for GIA Ventures teleoperation concepts
[17:31] ajbieee: that might be a little iffy...but I know that some of the ARRL (HAM radio) cubesats have been launched like that
[17:32] ajbieee: the Nanoracks guys are the most advanced in ISS cubesat launches I believe
[17:32] ajbieee: that is the company that our friends at SpaceVR plan to use
[17:32] Starfarer: I wondered about that ~ it may be a low cost Russian approach
[17:33] ajbieee: cost is always an issue I suppose...
[17:34] ajbieee: even with launch costs coming down by an order of magnitude...from like $10,000 USD to $1,000 USD now?
[17:34] ajbieee: per pound that is
[17:34] Starfarer: I did not see an explanation as to why hand-thrown from the ISS was OK
[17:35] ajbieee: that would be about $3K for launch cost of a standard cubesat cause "They can be 1U, 2U, 3U, or 6U in size, and typically weigh less than 1.33 kg (3 lbs) per U. NASA's CubeSats are deployed from a Poly-Picosatellite Orbital Deployer, or P-POD.Feb 14, 2018"
[17:36] Starfarer: The other side of the cost equation, is what happens from a sustainable industrial presence beyond Earth, when no further resources are required from Earth
[17:36] ajbieee: https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cubesats/overview
[17:37] Starfarer: Great little overview of cubesats there
[17:37] ajbieee: if we can get the right mix of resources up there these little guys can start to specialize and create a off-planet economy
[17:38] Starfarer: Now Star Treck is coming home to roost ~ with the cube designs of the Borg ships
[17:38] ajbieee: for example Fleet Space is in the IoT sub-1 Ghz data space that we need for GIA Ventures control "circuits" to our teleoperated bots
[17:39] ajbieee: and they just announced their "Partner Program" this weekend
[17:40] Starfarer: There is a fundamental philosophical question that I don't find being explored
[17:40] ajbieee: yeap...but they are tiny, tiny Borg's
[17:40] ajbieee: CubeSats are built to standard dimensions (Units or “U”) of 10 cm x 10 cm x 10 cm
[17:41] Starfarer: I didn't know that
[17:41] ajbieee: I have kind of started to think of these as like children's building blocks for commercial space
[17:42] ajbieee: everyone is building products to fit into these standard "blocks"
[17:42] Starfarer: Sounds like Minecraft for space
[17:42] ajbieee: Planet has a IoT radio system on the market now that is similar to what Fleet is offering
[17:42] ajbieee: now your getting it!
[17:43] ajbieee: it really is like that
[17:44] ajbieee: and Gilmore Space in Adelaide has a cubesat thruster (ion?) for sale in that email I sent
[17:44] Starfarer: Have you been following China's plans to go to the far side of the Moon?
[17:44] ajbieee: along with Patty who you guys met from the Uni up in Sydney
[17:45] ajbieee: yes...the will send a second "Jade Rabiit" rover to the dark side it seems
[17:45] ajbieee: looking out in the radio shadow behind the Moon for ET perhaps?
[17:46] Starfarer: The race will be on soon, to secure a permanent base on the Moon
[17:46] ajbieee: the is the ESA plan
[17:46] ajbieee: as I understand it
[17:46] ajbieee: permanent moon base
[17:47] Starfarer: I'd suggest China will be hunting for raw materials to launch space industry
[17:47] ajbieee: and Japan....except the Japanese are doing it as we chat right now!
[17:47] Starfarer: Yes, the Europeans are pretty keen to make this happen
[17:48] Starfarer: I expect to hear more on this in Bremen
[17:48] ajbieee: I get chatter from the Japanese Hayabusa 2 every day on my Twitter feed
[17:49] Starfarer: Looking at all the space action, and concerns about kinetic weapons ~ I wonder if this will be an opportunity to push for peace and transparency in space
[17:49] Starfarer: If so, then all nations may work together to gain the benefits of space
[17:49] ajbieee: here is the one from nine hours ago
[17:50] Starfarer: and maybe those benefits can flow to all Earth's citizens
[17:50] ajbieee: HAYABUSA2@JAXA
Want to see where we’re planning to land? We’ve picked our top sites for sample collection
[17:50] ajbieee: http://www.hayabusa2.jaxa.jp/en/topics/20180904e/
[17:50] ajbieee: it will definitely flow in for the Japanese citizen
[17:51] ajbieee: big part of Japan's problem in WWII was lack of oil and metals
[17:51] Starfarer: I bet Japan will have some interesting things to declare in Bremen also
[17:52] Starfarer: We are on the cusp of a new space era
[17:52] ajbieee: course the NASA OSIRIS is tweeting every other day too...
[17:53] ajbieee: NASA's OSIRIS-REx
Woot! I'm now less than one million miles (1.4 million kilometers) away from #asteroid Bennu. #WhereIsOSIRISREx
[17:53] ajbieee: that was about 6 hours ago
[17:54] Starfarer: A busy satellite
[17:54] ajbieee: so the robots are having a great space program these days
[17:54] ajbieee: but where are the humans?
[17:54] ajbieee: only on the ISS it seems
[17:54] Starfarer: Only avatars around here
[17:54] ajbieee: this is the means for us humans to go perhaps
[17:55] Starfarer: Once a safe environment is built, humans can go there
[17:56] ajbieee: screen in our face (especially if using a VR headset) and some haptic interface or more primitive controls like mouse or keyboard
[17:56] Starfarer: If interest rises on Earth in a giant leap to safe space, we will get the people there sooner
[17:56] ajbieee: that is what your Celestial City and now Space Pioneer Foundation plans to build, no?
[17:57] Starfarer: A safe and healthy environment for people in space
[17:57] ajbieee: safe 1G orbit digs for human use
[17:57] Starfarer: together with a sustainable industrial presence beyond Earth ~ key to cosmic survival
[17:58] Starfarer: 1G to maintain Earth gravity fitness
[17:58] Starfarer: The pioneers on the Moon may appreciate that
[17:58] ajbieee: but I keep saying we can start by "simulating" it here in SL and other virtual worlds (training) and then teleoperating those cubesat swarms to build out the real thing on-orbit
[17:58] ajbieee: (operations)
[17:59] Starfarer: I wonder about how to make that ball roll ~ and roll faster
[17:59] ajbieee: know your on a time schedule
[18:00] Starfarer: It all comes down to those determined individuals who are keen to make it all happen
[18:00] ajbieee: re-read "The Message" again this afternoon
[18:00] ajbieee: on the website as I thinking it is what some business types would call your "vision"
[18:00] Starfarer: I added some old document on CO2 at the end
[18:01] ajbieee: you have done a good job on the references
[18:01] Starfarer: The Message sketches out the plan
[18:01] ajbieee: throughout that document
[18:01] Starfarer: and the reasons for the plan
[18:01] Starfarer: Thanks
[18:01] ajbieee: that will impress the academics like Dr Swan when your get to Germany in a few more days
[18:02] Starfarer: We shall see what the smart people are willing to discuss
[18:02] ajbieee: he may have news of a new material that can make the Earth Space Elevator a reality...
[18:02] Starfarer: or if its best I do some more listening
[18:03] ajbieee: from their conference in Seattle
[18:03] Starfarer: I look forward to Dr Swans presentation
[18:04] Starfarer: I'll be looking out for Arthur Woods as well
[18:04] ajbieee: I'll let you know if I hear anything from the ISEC conference before you depart...they usually have a committee meeting around the first of the month...
[18:04] Starfarer: He does space art
[18:04] ajbieee: I know that I have my IEEE meeting this Friday that is the same schedule monthly
[18:04] Starfarer: Great ~ would much appreciate that
[18:05] Starfarer: My main suggestion there, is to test the system at Venus, to prove it will work for Earth
[18:05] Starfarer: And then it would happen quickly for Earth
[18:06] ajbieee: or on the Moon...their seems to be a growing interest in that...especially by ESA as mentioned above with their Moon Base idea
[18:06] Starfarer: The Moon is easy ~ no air, one sixth Earth's gravity
[18:06] Starfarer: Venus would be the real acid test
[18:07] Starfarer: And also open Venus to many activities ~ such as mining carbon from the atmosphere
[18:07] ajbieee: that is what they saying...so much easier and if I recall that was a big part of the O'Neill's L5 concept too get materials too
[18:07] Starfarer: and oxygen
[18:08] Starfarer: O'Neill developed a mass-driver to send raw materials into space
[18:08] ajbieee: sure someone will take on Venus...Elon says "Mars is mine"
[18:08] ajbieee: well I guess I better get off here
[18:08] ajbieee: my clock says its time for a nap
[18:08] ajbieee: catch you next time
[18:08] Starfarer: I do not recall any mention of a space elevator in O'Neill's plans
[18:08] Starfarer: A~OK
[18:09] Starfarer: Until again .....
[18:09] ajbieee: I think maybe it as a mass driver from the Moon on second thought...but not that different from there between a cable and and mass driver I guess
[18:09] ajbieee: OK...later
[18:10] Visinda: Goodnight
[18:10] Starfarer: Celest